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Cannonpointer » 37 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

37 minutes ago

You seem to have an implicit premise that you're not being responsible for. I am going to ask you to correct that.

Is it your thesis that in the hypothetical event that some country started bombing the united states, that country - let's say Russia or China - would be utterly incapable of parading some American expats before their cameras cheering on the Russian or Chinese military? Because if that IS your implied thesis, I think you will agree with me that you are utterly and incontrovertibly full of **** - yes?

And if that is NOT your thesis, then even bringing that **** up is disingenuous and utterly irrelevant to the argument. The argument I have made is that we are klingons, we are the common denominator in dozens of big wars that we fight without bothering to declare and hundreds of small ones that don't even make the news, and that we are MEANT to be a republic at peace. In what way does "There are some people from there that cosign our ****" argue against that case?

The kind of people that would cheer their own country being attacked? I assume you agree that such people should not be granted much credence.

You are telling me that all of the expats cheering are not being genuine? Seemed to be from many places.
They weren't exactly being "paraded before cameras" when a news organization told their man to not focus on the cheering crowd. That side seemed to be pushed out of the limelight rather than into a parade.
(I take it at face value that not everyone on Earth is entirely unhappy Iran got stomped on.)

I hate to see you lump me into a ball of mindless supporters simply because I don't hate Trump or ______ enough.
Be that as it may or may not be, I'm not for yet another US prolonged conflict.

I recall Spain not allowing planes to fly over when Libya was going to be bombed cuz QadaffyDuck was mean.
European countries don't always automatically cave. They're doing it again.
Is that worldwide isolation as you think it is? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not.

Once the dirty deed is done, it's easy to say "I was never for that." I don't trust any government...
...even oh-so-noble Spain and Italy.  
"Official condemnation" by anyone means very little to me.

I actually believe most people are secretly glad a bully beat the **** out of another bully.
Time will tell, my friend. I still live in hope.
In the fog of the immediacy, obscuration and propaganda reign supreme.
I fully admit to not knowing anything more than what some so-called experts spew both for and against.

I am not sure if I answered your charge very well but as always, I'm not pretending to know anymore than I do.